Statements that became part of Quran

In terms of Islam’s claims regarding Quran being divine, I wonder if anyone has thought about the statements by various people (including Prophet himself) which later became part of the Quran as verses, here is one example:


Muhammad meets Zayd b. ‘Amr and offers him meat that was slaughtered for the idols (Sahih Bukhari, 7.67.407, 5.58.169)
Volume 7, Book 67, Number 407:


Narrated ‘Abdullah:
Allah’s Apostle said that he met Zaid bin ‘Amr b. Nufail at a place near Baldah and this had happened before Allah’s Apostle received the Divine Inspiration. Allah’s Apostle presented a dish of meat (that had been offered to him by the pagans) to Zaid bin ‘Amr, but Zaid refused to eat of it and then said (to the pagans), “I do not eat of what you slaughter on your stone altars (Ansabs) nor do I eat except that on which Allah’s Name has been mentioned on slaughtering.”
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 169:

In above example, as we can see that Zayd b. ‘Amr’s disliking towards the meat slaughtered by Pagan Arabs later on becomes part of the Quran and its now one the most essential part of the Muslim faith, Halal Meat as we know it.

Quran says:
5:3. Forbidden to you (for food) are carrion and blood and swine flesh, and that which has been dedicated to any other than Allah, and the strangled, and the dead through beating, and the dead through falling from a height, and that which has been killed by (the goring of) horns, and the devoured of wild beasts, except that which you make lawful (by the death stroke), and that which has been immolated to idols.

Who was Zayd ibn Amr:

Good question. There is some history available about Zayd, according to the Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat-e-Rasool (the first book to look into the life of Prophet Muhammad), Zayd was one of the four people who were in search of true Abrahamic Religion. One of them was Warraqa ib Nawfal, the male cousin of Bibi Khadijah (Prophet Muhammad’s first wife). Zayd was an old man when Prophet Muhammad was young and met him, he had travelled quite extensively and remained confused about the true monothiestic religion. He was (possibly) killed by the Quraish Tribe well before Prophet Muhammad introduced Islam to the region.

Zayd had developed a deep hatred towards the Pagan Arabs and their idea of Polythiestic Religion. He also disliked the traditions such as, make round circles of Kabba in order to make the Idol Gods happy, burying alive female children, and eating from the meat that Pagan Arabs used to slaugter in the name of their Idol Gods.

So whats the problem ?

Problem is that Quran is supposed to be the word of God / Allah but in this incident it gives an impression that these words are perhaps used by Zayd Ibn Amr first before it became part of the Quran. How can this happen ? God surely could have come up with some better or at least different words.

But thats only a Hadith:

Yes I know, and I’ve myself been a long term Quranist rejecting the validity of Hadith altogether because essentially Hadith is nothing but the best of a memory recall of someone who lived during Prophet Muhammad’s times. But we also must not forget the typical argument that is followed in the Muslim world that says:

Not everything can be found in Quran, you’ve to consult Hadith and even Fiqah (where Quran and Hadith can not help)

We also must not forget that some of the most essential part of Islamic Rituals are also followed as per the Hadith and Sunnat and they are nowhere found in Quran as such. I’ve no problem accepting the theory that Hadith can not be trusted but then you can not even be selective about the Hadith that whatever Hadith you like will be valid and where it wouldnt make sense you would start questioning about its validity.

By the way treat this post a series of questions not an allegation.

8 thoughts on “Statements that became part of Quran

  1. Interesting questions. How do you know the timing of Zayd’s statement? It could have come after that verse of the Qur’an was revealed. Also, have you checked the Arabic of both the hadith and the Qur’an to see if it is really the same idiom? Just some more questions.

    • Zuhura,

      Thanks for the visit, your questions are quite interesting.

      In terms of Zayd’s timing, Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat-ul-Rasool is the first authentic book which looks into the history of Prophet Muhammad’s times, Warraqa ibn Nawfal and Zayd ibn Amr were both quite old during Prophet Muhammad’s teenage. Zayd had died many years before the Prophet Muhammad claimed prophet-hood while Warraqa was the first person with whom Bibi Khadijah went to discuss the First Revelations on Prophet Muhammad. It is also recorded that he too was quite an old person and had a very weak eye sight. He too died quite soon after the First Revelations.

      I’m open minded and will look forward to some other historical evidence if you can find some.

      Peace

      • Sorry I wasn’t reading carefully and didn’t realize you had already addressed the chronology. What about the Arabic wording?

  2. completely incorrect frm a legal point of view. a quranist and nt believing hadith? any hadith of our own choice? better words by God? not all can be found in the quran and sunnah? the auther really needs to study islamic jurisprudence first.

    • Hi Musa,

      Thanks for your visit my friend. I’m really not sure what legal terms you’re referring to, blogging is just a reflection of your thoughts and there is no such Legal system that dictates what you can and can not blog about.

      You probably did not read carefully though, I said “I have been a Quranist” not that I’m still a Quranist.

      By islamic jurisprudence, if you mean to read the personal opinion of someone then thats really up to you, I’m a curious person and I like to read different view points with no pre-concieved understanding.

      Peace

  3. raheelq,

    Prophet Muhammed’s father’s name was Abd’allah. I have read somewhere that one of the pagan gods of the Quraish was also called Allah and that he had two daughters (who were also pagan godesses.

    You said that Hadith is essentially memory recall of people who lives during prophet Muhammed’s time. As far as I know, Quran is the same. Quran was written as a book long time after prophet Muhammed’s death. Before that it was only memorized.

    • Faraz,
      yes muhammad’s father’s name was Abduallah (slave of allah) ….and according to some SAHIH hadiths , he was a pagan and will be in hell . Muslims claim that kaabah was built by ibrahim and pagans distorted the religion of ibrahim so the word allah was still there and i think you are right they had a god named allah and his idol was in kaabah

      “You said that Hadith is essentially memory recall of people who lives during prophet Muhammed’s time.”

      raheelq was mentioning those who reject hadiths or pick up hadiths of their choice

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